in my effort to avoid all of the important things in life (exercise, studying, writing), I've been reading too much stuff on the internet. for all you Johnny Depp fans out there, I found this video slideshow of his adventures in gender-bending through the years. I've always loved him, and seeing all these clips makes me realize what a talented actor he really is. I haven't seen the movie Before Night Falls (though it was on my Netflix queue for about a year before I left the country). The only one of these I didn't like was Willy Wonka - Johnny went way over the top on that one, and his performance gave me nightmares! and of course on this slideshow they didn't include some of my favorite of his performances, like Donnie Brasco, Dead Man, Gilbert Grape, and Benny and Joon... (but I guess those were not considered "gender-bending"?)
I've decided that I don't want to see the new Alice movie. I'm sure that the whole cast is good in it, and I'm sure that visually it's very stunning... but I read this review on Slate's website, and it sounds like Tim Burton is taking WAYYY too many liberties with the story. I'm a purist - I can't see why people can't make movie adaptations that even slightly resemble the story, especially when you're dealing with something as classic as Lewis Carroll! And why make the Mad Hatter a love interest for Alice? there wasn't the slightest hint of that in the book.
I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but I wrote a paper on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass in college. I really loved everything about those stories! It's like seeing the Leonardo DiCaprio version of Romeo and Juliet - or any of these modern adaptations of Shakespeare. they don't work for me.
I know many people will disagree with me about this, but film adaptations work only when they stay true to the original author's vision. Why else do we want to see the film except to see a broader view of what we've read and loved?
anyway, that's enough of my soapbox. I'm back to staring at katakana and kanji and wondering if I'll ever learn Japanese well enough...
I've decided that I don't want to see the new Alice movie. I'm sure that the whole cast is good in it, and I'm sure that visually it's very stunning... but I read this review on Slate's website, and it sounds like Tim Burton is taking WAYYY too many liberties with the story. I'm a purist - I can't see why people can't make movie adaptations that even slightly resemble the story, especially when you're dealing with something as classic as Lewis Carroll! And why make the Mad Hatter a love interest for Alice? there wasn't the slightest hint of that in the book.
I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but I wrote a paper on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass in college. I really loved everything about those stories! It's like seeing the Leonardo DiCaprio version of Romeo and Juliet - or any of these modern adaptations of Shakespeare. they don't work for me.
I know many people will disagree with me about this, but film adaptations work only when they stay true to the original author's vision. Why else do we want to see the film except to see a broader view of what we've read and loved?
anyway, that's enough of my soapbox. I'm back to staring at katakana and kanji and wondering if I'll ever learn Japanese well enough...
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I think you are right for the most part movies should try to stay true to the source. (Though I am sure in some cases, the movie would make the source of the material a million times better, I thought of an example but I forgot it)
Good luck with your studying
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there are probably examples of movies that were better than the books - I've heard that was the case with Gone with the Wind. But the classics like Alice are best read, I think:)
thanks hon!
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Hmm, I haven't heard that about Gone with the Wind, but I have had no desire to see movie, or watch book. I just read both Alice books for the first time recently and really enjoyed them. They are fun books :)
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About 'Romeo and Juliet' with Leonardo, the first time I watched it; I turned it off after 15 minutes because I so didn't 'get it' and I thought it was a travesty to film my favorite playwright in that way. Fast forward a few years, I retried it after I saw 'Moulin Rouge' and saw it in a very different light. The setting may have changed but it so stays true to the original story.
Michelle
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I guess I should revisit that Baz Luhrman version of Romeo and Juliet (with Leo DiCaprio)... at the time, I just hated him, and I didn't appreciate the creativity. I never did watch Moulin Rouge, though I've always wanted to:) maybe that will also change my mind on R + J.
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Of course you will hon, give yourself some time! *extra encouraging hugs*
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I agree with you about Willie Wonka I like the attempt at a darker tone but it didn't work.
Now I have reservations about seeing Alice I am a stickler in some ways about not changing the author's intent. Some things you don't mess with, which is why I have yet to see a single movie version of Little Women because the slightest deviation would make me rage. Some things are best avoided. Oh while I was in Vegas I saw a rare edition of Alice it was $4500. I wish.
Oddly though I am fond of Baz Lurhman's R&J because it sticks to the original language, though one scene is missing. To me Shakesspeare was a showman and I think he would have changed settings, etc to grab his audience. I mean he was adapting himself. So for me I always enjoy seeing what new settings directors can come up with for his work. Now when they start playing with the language I have issues. I do have mixed emotions about things like Scotland, PA because it's not really a Shakespeare adaptation, but I'm still iffy on them. Have you seen that? Sorry to to be off on an a tangent but I love Shakesspeare.
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I saw that version of Little Women with Winona Ryder, but I'm ashamed to admit I never read the book in entirety. I really should. did that movie version stray from the book a lot?
we had a great hard-bound version of Lewis Carroll's works, including Alice's Adventures , and it had color pictures. I think we sold it at a garage sale, though now I realize I should have kept it!
I suppose you're right about Shakespeare - but what do you think of that Hamlet with Ethan Hawke that was set in modern-day NYC? Being the purist, I preferred the version with Mel Gibson:) oh they should never play with the language of Shakespeare - but I guess that's why I had trouble with that 2000 version of Hamlet - seeing people in a modern-day American city (New York) reciting Shakespeare line-for-line is a bit awkward for me.
No I didn't see Scotland, PA - but after reading this synopsis: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265713/plotsummary
I laughed that they list William Shakespeare as a writer! that sounds nothing like MacBeth! I'm with you on being iffy on those kinds of "loose" adaptations. if it's not even close, then why call it an adaptation?
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Love Pirates, didn't like Sweeney Todd.
Love Chocolat, really not sure about Willy Wonka.
I'm still undecided whether to see Alice. Hannah loved it. But then she hasn't read the book...
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haven't watched Sweeney yet - wasn't in the mood last night. I'll let you know my verdict after I watch it:)
oh, tsk tsk! Hannah must must read the book!! Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass are classics, and great for sparking imagination! that's another reason I fear for our future generations - they will just see these wild, colorful movies and not use their own imaginations as when they just read the book. Does Hannah like reading?
anyway, enough of my ranting and opinions LOL:)
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You might like Sweeney... give it a chance.
Hannah loves reading, I'm glad to say. It's probably on her list - I'll have to make sure she reads it. I know I have a copy. I also have it as an ebook on my iPhone. Lol.
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Loved Sweeney - but you already know that - LOL:) I'm late with this reply!
wow - books on your iphone? that would hurt my eyes to read something so small ^_^
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It's OK on the iPhone, surprisingly. You can change the size of the font too. Too big a font and you only end up with about six words on the screen though. Lol.
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I hate that the movies are basically strip-mining our childhood favorites. I worry about when/if I have a kid...are they going to read the books, or are they going to just watch the movies and never really have a chance to exercise their own imaginations?
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and I also agree with you that kids will see Burton's version of Alice and they won't know how wonderful the original is! Hopefully, as I said to another friend, they will be intrigued enough to want to read the books, but do kids even read anymore? I worry about that stuff too! I want to make sure my niece and nephew read the classics - it's my job to buy them books as they get older, and I've already got a set of The Chronicles of Narnia to give to my nephew when he's old enough. I better go out and buy a good version of Lewis Carroll's classic too:)
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I couldn't watch Before Night Falls, I think I ended up skipping through it to find Johnny's scenes, the rest of it didn't interest me at all.
As for film adaptations of books (or Shakespeare), I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on that. Purism is commendable but artistic vision does not need to be restricted by source material, especially when the source has been adapted many times.
Off the top of my head, there is one film (Manhunter) I didn't like because it managed to throw out the best material of a book I'd enjoyed (and the title so I can forgive it somewhat and pretend it's not a Hannibal Lecter film) but I've come to realise that film is an entirely different artistic medium to books so there have to be differences.
In Charlie and the Chocolate factory Johnny's actual performance may not be exactly like the Wonka of the book, but the film itself is a far truer adaptation than the Gene Wilder version (which, incidentally, Roald Dahl himself hated and they rewrote his screenplay, although they left him with a writing credit), though that is not the main reason I prefer the newer adaptation.
I was probably just the right age when Baz Luhman's Romeo + Juliet came out and I really enjoyed it (and I agree with
But anyway, I've just come back from seeing Alice in Wonderland and I thoroughly enjoyed it, I can't disagree more with that review you've linked to (apart from the dig at 3D) Empire's is far more even handed here.
The only reason anyone could possibly think that the Mad Hatter is Alice's love interest is because all the people from her real life are represented by characters in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter appears to be the man everyone wants her to marry and I suppose he also represents her father (he definitely has multiple personalities) so it's more of a paternal love than a romantic one.
Well, this has turned into a long comment! I'm not sure if I've managed to properly explain my thoughts, I know my feelings but can't always express them coherently!
Good luck with your Japanese lessons! *hug*
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I have heard people say that Burton's version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was truer to the book, but I grew up with Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka, so I just couldn't enjoy Johnny's freaky adaptation of the character. it comes down to personal taste, I guess.
and while I'm all for artistic vision in adapting a book, I just hate to think that younger generations may not know how wonderful the original books were if they only see this Burton version of Alice. That's what another friend said here too. I hope they'll be intrigued enough by it to read the books and see what they're missing:) Shakespeare too!
thanks for the long comment- I replied with the same - LOL! it's fun to see different viewpoints:)
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and this is why I'm making myself responsible for buying classic books for my niece and nephew, in case my sister doesn't:) I'll read with them when I visit!
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I'm also surprised about your comment about Burtons/Depp's Willy Wonka. At least that version was close to the book, where the previous rubbish is not!
As for Alice in Wonderland, I've never read the book, but the film was absolutely amazing and I'm sure it will stand out on it's own as a brilliant bit of filmmaking :)
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well I guess I have to sort of clarify what I meant about adaptations. I think they can work if they don't completely stray from the author's intent or style. It's okay to add a few things here or there, if it seems to fit the author's original ideas. It's tricky, to be sure:) I really loved that BBC version of Pride and Prejudice too, and I've liked quite a few Shakespeare movie adaptations too. I didn't see the film version because I don't like Keira Knightley. I know that's shallow but oh well. Adapting a book to the screen is tough, and it's not always a bad thing. it's also a personal taste, too I guess.
and that's what it comes down to for me with Burton's Willy Wonka. I've heard from many people that it's closer to the book than the earlier version with Gene Wilder. But I guess I just personally didn't like what Johnny Depp did with his characterization of Wonka. I love Johnny, quite a bit. But his freakish makeup and silly hair was just over the top for me (and I feel the same about his Mad Hatter in the Alice movie). I grew up watching Gene Wilder's interpretation, and it's just become a part of my childhood. To me, Gene will always be Willy Wonka. And I felt that movie was easier to watch then Burton's frenetic remake. I got tired watching Burton's version.
Perhaps I'm being a bit too hasty in my decision not to see Burton's Alice - but I guess it is just personal preference, again. I didn't realize until someone pointed out to me that it's not really an adaptation, as much as an extension of the book, as it's many years later in time. Creatively, I'm sure it's a great film. and maybe I'll see it someday:)
sorry for the long reply - but thanks! I love these kinds of discussions:)